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3 Podcasters Walk in a Bar Episode -19 – The guys are in rare form talking about Energy Hypocracy..mp3
Stuart Turley [00:00:13] Hey, everybody. Today is a great day. It’s not only a great day. It’s a fabulous day because I get to talk to two of the best people on the planet. You ever had that uncle sit there and he was a horrible uncle. And when the family got together, he’d start a really, really bad joke.
Stuart Turley [00:00:31] And the joke was these three people walked into a bar everybody cringed. Tried to dig for carpet. We happened to be three of those guys going into a bar. My name’s Drew Turley, presidency of the Sandstone Group, and I got to keep up with old David Blackmon here. Now I got to do my I got to do my Dwight Yoakam here.
David Blackmon [00:00:54] Your Hat is bigger than mine.
Stuart Turley [00:00:57] It’s because I got a bigger head. Okay. David Blackmon first around the corner. You are a contributing Forbes author. You’re a fabulous individual but my head’s bigger than yours. Now, with that, you have to podcast you have The Crude Truth. No, that’s R.T. Sorry.
David Blackmon [00:01:19] That’s the other guy.
Stuart Turley [00:01:20] That’s the other guy I’ll get back to you. It is the Energy Question. It is doing fabulous. You’ve got great people, great stories. Then you have the Energy Transition that is Brazil, the country of Dallas, London, and then you have Bulgaria. That is one of the best Energy Transitions. I get to steal my information. David, thank you and welcome.
David Blackmon [00:01:48] Yeah, that one’s fun. I love doing that one with Armando and Tami and Irena. The information that I learned so much just from recording that podcast every week, it’s phenomenal to get like a week’s worth of material, frankly.
Stuart Turley [00:02:05] I love Armando when Armando goes. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening.
David Blackmon [00:02:10] Well, we’re all over the place.
Stuart Turley [00:02:12] I love Armando. I love me some Armando. Okay. Coming around the corner. And that is, we have R.T.. He’s a very soft spoken oil man Not! He’s one of them good guys out there reduce and low cost power as an EMP company for the United States. He’s American, and he is a big dog over at Paco’s operating country. He is the podcast host of The Crude Truth. He’s had fabulous guests on there. Welcome, RT.
Rey Trevino [00:02:44] Oh, Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, everybody. How’s everybody doing today?
Stuart Turley [00:02:49] Well, for the first time in our history, a podcast. I can’t remember what number were on but, RT, your head looks smaller than any of us normally.
Rey Trevino [00:02:58] I know. I’m going to have to. I’m picking up what you think I’m picking up what you guys are throwing down and challenge accepted for next week. For those of you all that are loose,.
David Blackmon [00:03:08] You got to have one, right?
Rey Trevino [00:03:09] Yeah. Those are all listening today all two of you. Well, you know, last week, Stu wore a cowboy hat, and this week, well, David’s wearing a but looks like a cowboy hat also.
David Blackmon [00:03:24] It’s kind of a cowboy.
Rey Trevino [00:03:25] And I think he’s wearing that. If you ever watched, was it either Rio Bravo or Eldorado? It kind of looks like the hat that Michael Caine wore when he was called. Colorado Mississippi. They’re basically the same.
David Blackmon [00:03:39] James Carville, James Carville, Mississippi.
Stuart Turley [00:03:43] And he had a sawed off shotgun and he was a hoot. And he got that one guy by hitting the sign and it hit the sign and knocked him out and John Wayne came up. Go. That’ll do.
Rey Trevino [00:03:56] Yeah, that’ll do. Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:03:57] That was Rio Bravo. No, no, no. I’m sorry. You’re right. It was El Dorado.
Rey Trevino [00:04:02] Is it Elk? They’re basically the same movie once got Robert Mitchum in the other one has Dean Martin and the drunk role. And then.
David Blackmon [00:04:10] Robert Mitchum was Rio Bravo with Ricky Nelson.
Rey Trevino [00:04:14] Ricky Nelson? Yeah,.
David Blackmon [00:04:16] The stand up,.
Rey Trevino [00:04:17] Yeah, he was Colorado now. Right. And so, again, we know where we.
Stuart Turley [00:04:24] Were on Monday afternoon at 430. Is beer 30 somewhere?
Rey Trevino [00:04:29] It is. It is. It is definitely beer 30. So challenge accepted, you guys. Next week. I will. I will follow. Stu with both of you.
Stuart Turley [00:04:37] All right. Now, real quick, we got to get on with our stories but here’s the thing. I want to give a shout out to Steve Reese, one of the classiest guys in the Energy Space he got us last week when he said, Stu Turley, congratulations on being Marshall Dillon.
Stuart Turley [00:04:57] I thought that was a nice compliment and then, David, you show up and you look like Festus that hat.
David Blackmon [00:05:04] Tim Curtis.
Stuart Turley [00:05:05] We are there. So now, as long as you don’t show up like the girl, R.T. Next week, we’re good. Okay, We could be Gunsmoke, 3 podcasters walk into the Gunsmoke bar.
Rey Trevino [00:05:17] Oh, could you imagine this being actually one of the the saloons downtown and stockyards area Fort Worth? That would be fun.
Stuart Turley [00:05:24] We’re going. We got the kit.
Rey Trevino [00:05:25] We do .
Stuart Turley [00:05:27] Okay. Hey, RT, you had a story for us?
Rey Trevino [00:05:31] Well, yes, Today I kind of wanted to kind of go down a quick rabbit hole. So. David, be ready. On my substack today I released Self-promote today a little bit on my Substack. I had a great article that I wrote in regards to our great Department of Energy secretary, Jennifer Granholm.
Rey Trevino [00:06:00] And I wanted to kind of talk about the fact that there have been reports and confirmation that she has been talking with some very anti fossil fuel groups over the last several months about burning natural gas stoves.
Rey Trevino [00:06:19] And so at first I’m kind of like, okay, I thought we had already passed this. It’s not going to happen. But when these reports came out of who she was talking to is really why I felt so compelled to talk about this, because at first, look, I’m all good for a conspiracy thoughts theory.
Rey Trevino [00:06:40] However, she is talking right now that when she first started doing this was with the ark on, which is, you know, I’ll just be real quick with them and say at one time the Rocky Mountain Institute, who are very anti-oil and gas and coal group.
Rey Trevino [00:06:59] But also this RMI is also backed by a small country called China. So why is it that China is so worried about our natural gas stoves and why we need to get rid of them here in the United States? So that was really kind of what I wanted to just discuss today with this article. If you guys and I had a chance to read it or no one. David Dougherty is familiar with you.
Stuart Turley [00:07:24] Oh, well, let me let me let me say one thing in this article. Yeah. Holy smokes, Batman. In this case, both It’s in this paragraph. RT In cases, both the head of the Rocky Mountains do institute work for the WEF World Economic Forum, one of the biggest bunch of more honest, hateful groups in the whole world. Wow. I did not know that.
Rey Trevino [00:07:54] No, it’s amazing how it’s all just interrelated, isn’t it? All these organizations just circle around each other and feed each other with people.
Stuart Turley [00:08:04] Where I would think all these people were from Arkansas, the way they’re in.
David Blackmon [00:08:08] It. It’s a it’s a grand global conspiracy and that it’s my favorite conspiracy. RMI is the the is, as you said, a very anti fossil fuel organization that holds itself out as a benign think tank up in Denver.
David Blackmon [00:08:27] And they funded the study they funded the study that. Oh, what’s his name? Richard Trumka, who sits on the Consumer Products Safety Council or commission claimed to be using to mount his effort to ban natural gas stoves through that that agency of the federal government.
David Blackmon [00:08:53] And he claimed Trumka claimed back in December that that study had established a confirmed link between the use of gas, those in the home and the prevalence of childhood asthma. But then when an actual news person that still do exist somewhere, I haven’t figured out where I actually contacted the Rocky Mountain Institute and cornered them and asked them specifically if their study did indeed establish such a link. The RMI itself said No, our study does not establish a cause and effect link.
David Blackmon [00:09:32] And so and of course if it did, all you need to know about this is the American Lung Association, which is the foremost authority on lung diseases in our country and really in in the world does not say a word about gas stoves or gas appliances having any link to any kind of lung disease, childhood asthma or otherwise in its literature.
David Blackmon [00:10:00] You can look on its website, it’s all there for public consumption and if there was a definitive link of any kind between the use of gas stoves and asthma or any other lung disease, the people at the American Lung Association would be letting America know about, and they don’t because it doesn’t exist. And, you know, anyway, I you know, our AMA is what it is, and their studies are what they are. And, you know,
Stuart Turley [00:10:34] R.T. The third paragraph from the bottom was critical and it starts with now why you want to read that.
Rey Trevino [00:10:42] Yeah. No, it’s like no, no. But to me the real point is it’s like, but now why would China really care about our gas stoves, right? I mean, that to me is, is, you know, so let’s you know, the other day I said, you know, we’re headed down a path like Europe. And somebody told me that we’re not. But, you know, it seems to me that as Europe goes, California goes, the rest of America goes, yeah, we’re headed down there.
Stuart Turley [00:11:10] 17 states follow.
Rey Trevino [00:11:13] Yeah, 17 states right off the bat. But it’s like so. Europe has stopped using fossil fuels. That’s in essence, what I’m saying here in this last paragraph. It’s like, you know, they stopped using fossil fuels.
Rey Trevino [00:11:26] And if we stop using fossil fuels the way Europe does our energy security. Is gone. Okay. Not our not our energy strong, not our energy independence, but our energy security is gone. And that leaves the door wide open for anything to happen here in America. And China would probably be just sitting there very happy. And that’s not what I’m looking for. So.
Stuart Turley [00:11:53] China bed.
David Blackmon [00:11:54] Let me give you some links. Okay. Just to support what you just said. Okay. So you have that story. China is working to, you know, get the United States to stop using fossil fuels. Why? Because the alternative that’s being put out there is to use electric vehicles and renewables, wind and solar.
David Blackmon [00:12:15] Well, what do those alternatives rely on? They rely on this array of critical energy minerals and lithium and copper and nickel and you just go down the list. Who controls the supply chains for those energy minerals? China as President Trump used to say.
Stuart Turley [00:12:40] They’re playing chess with an unarmed opponent.
David Blackmon [00:12:43] If we get off of fossil fuels, see, they know America is strong now because we can be self-reliant on all the natural gas and coal. But if if they are able to encourage us to get off of those things and go to these alternatives, well then we’re going to be subservient to China for our energy security, just like Europe has been for Russia with Russia all these years.
Stuart Turley [00:13:10] Let me ask this, because this conversation is phenomenal with you guys bringing all that up, all the smart ones here. But let me ask this. When you you have ESG reckoning coming up, investors are tired. We talked about BlackRock with 1.7 trillion in the first half of 2022.
Stuart Turley [00:13:35] Investors are now asking for actually more returns 70% of most of the money that was made last year was made in the energy space in their last week or week before BP came out and said that they’re getting out of the renewables game as much and they’re getting back into the energy because there’s no money in renewables. So all of a sudden, you know, the the oil companies are going on.
Stuart Turley [00:14:04] David and Artie, do you guys see that we’ve reached investment hypocrisy and they’re now demanding returns. Is there hope that there is ESG investing is going to continue to crater, which means that it’s going to continue lowering investments in things that have to be supported?
Stuart Turley [00:14:30] Deborah Walt, I hate to keep quoting her, but she’s got in, she’s got a company and they produce renewable energy and biodiesel and bio, everything else with no subsidies. What are you guys thoughts on ESG investing? Because all of that plays into what we just talked about.
David Blackmon [00:14:54] Well, Dave, do you want to go first? No, you go first.
Stuart Turley [00:14:58] And.
Rey Trevino [00:14:59] Foremost, you know. You know, here we are talking about this, the circle that all these that all the antique oil and gas people are in. And I want to just talk about BP real quick and how and correlate that with last week’s State of the Union address and that, BP had 40% based on David, your article, I believe BP was 40% in on renewables and that they lost over $1,000,000,000. Correct? Is that in a nutshell what happened? Or did I.
David Blackmon [00:15:34] NO! They made a big profit.
Rey Trevino [00:15:36] On the renewables?
David Blackmon [00:15:38] NO! it was Siemens. Siemens, the wind.
Rey Trevino [00:15:40] Oh the Siemens got that Im sorry. Okay.
David Blackmon [00:15:43] BP made a big profit, but just not as big as its competitors.
Rey Trevino [00:15:47] Right. But it wasn’t in renewables.
David Blackmon [00:15:49] It wasn’t in their renewables.
Rey Trevino [00:15:51] Correct. That I’m sorry. I got that story mixed up with one from last week, I apologize. Yes. No, that BP did not see the returns in the renewables like they did in their oil last year, which means the shells and the Exxon’s made a lot bigger return.
Rey Trevino [00:16:08] Now, bringing that to. But something else with the State of the Union last week that the president said that all those returns went to CEOs and shareholders. Okay. Last time I checked, shareholders are the American people, and that means the American people, Despite everything that this president has done to rule our economy.
Rey Trevino [00:16:33] They were least making a dollar somewhere in some investment and thank goodness it wasn’t in those renewables that have no returns. And I actually said that last week I had the opportunity to sit in on a doctor, Dr. at Ireland’s Energy and entrepreneurship class last week and just kinda listen.
Stuart Turley [00:16:53] Did you talk there or do.
Rey Trevino [00:16:55] I just I just went in the listen and and enjoyed it with Dr. Ireland.
David Blackmon [00:16:59] It’s a great bunch of students he’s got.
Rey Trevino [00:17:01] Yes. They’re all very bright and all eager and you know, that’s something. But, I did tell them. I said, guys, those shareholders, that is you guys, that is your parents, that is the 401 case.
Stuart Turley [00:17:15] Was that your eighth grade? Did you go back to high school? Eighth grade.
Rey Trevino [00:17:19] No, this is TCU,.
David Blackmon [00:17:21] No this is TCU Man.
Rey Trevino [00:17:24] But there is no money and that’s what makes Deborah so unique in the renewables world is the only way any of these companies are making money is in the subsidies that they’re getting.
Stuart Turley [00:17:38] Oh, right.
Rey Trevino [00:17:38] Yeah. And so that’s my big takeaway from what you asked is, hey, there is no money to be made right now in these renewables, David.
David Blackmon [00:17:49] Well, I think there is a fatigue factor for sitting in with the ESG. You know, when you see Jamie Dimon at JPMorgan and and what’s his name at Tesla, Elon Musk talking about how Elon Musk calls ESG a scam. And and I you know, do you agree with him?
Stuart Turley [00:18:15] Satanic.
David Blackmon [00:18:17] Yeah. And Jamie Dimon, he says I’m very much down on it and and Larry Fink, even Larry Fink has had to resort to using talking points in which he claims to be a big fan of investing in and, you know, oil and gas and other fossil fuel projects when we know that his firm has systematically discriminated against such projects over the past decade.
David Blackmon [00:18:47] And that’s all because there’s this fatigue factor among the public and among CEOs at these businesses who are tired of being constantly hammered for ever stricter, ever increasing demands from the ESG investment community.
David Blackmon [00:19:04] So, yeah, I think there’s some fatigue setting in whether that means it’s all going to get rolled back. I doubt it because there’s so much political pressure underneath all of that. But at least at least we’re getting a bit of a pause in the ratcheting up of the rhetoric. So that’s nice.
Stuart Turley [00:19:25] You know, David, you’re the only smart one on this panel here, But.
David Blackmon [00:19:31] When I’m just the only one that refuses to take a firm position.
Stuart Turley [00:19:36] No, you do. But when you put that hat on today looking like festus
David Blackmon [00:19:42] its my thinking that.
Stuart Turley [00:19:43] It’s you’re thinking hat! And I don’t think you said it was you started talking like a real Texican you read throwing around some real lingo there?
David Blackmon [00:20:00] That’s the kind of hat my daddy always wore so when our wore it, I tend to get a little bit more of a deep South Texas accent in my voice.
Stuart Turley [00:20:09] I was saying it dude rock on! Okay. The other one that we have kicking around the corner, which dovetails into this whole thing, David, you and I were talking about this, US to pour 30 million into lowering the cost of large wind turbines.
David Blackmon [00:20:32] Yeah. And that’s from the Department of Energy to Righ? In the D.O.E. thing.
Stuart Turley [00:20:36] It’s a D.O.E. thing and I was reading this, and you had some more information on it. The first paragraph from the D.O.E. This is the D.O.E this is not me writing it, even though I’m looking for my Granholm so I can imitate, you know, Ms.. Granholm, You know, do my Granholm. I still like that joke. I got a lot of compliments. You know what happens if you had a combination of Fetterman and Granholm?
David Blackmon [00:21:04] Yeah.
Stuart Turley [00:21:06] U.S. Department of Energy. That was that was funny. I got a lot of people going, You’re really weird. The U.S. Department of D.O.D. is announced 30 million of funding opportunity to advance the cost effective domestic manufacturing of materials, including lightweight composites that would allow wind turbines to produce power more efficiently.
David Blackmon [00:21:32] I found it really interesting that that that announcement was made on the same day Siemens Gamesa, which lost $1,000,000,000 in its turbine wind turbine manufacturing operation last year, announced that it wants to expand one of its big plants in the United States, but only if it gets new orders for its turbines and assistance from the government. And so I suspect, or at least part of that 30 million might end up going over to that gigantic 170 year old German company.
Stuart Turley [00:22:10] Wow! All right, Aarti, I’m going to ask this. You’re to financial wizard here. So if the taxpayers give money to Congress.
Rey Trevino [00:22:21] Yes.
Stuart Turley [00:22:22] And then Congress gives it to Ukraine, Ukraine gives it to FTX and then FTX brings it up here and gives it to the political folks. Right?
Rey Trevino [00:22:33] Right.
Stuart Turley [00:22:35] Okay. So if the poll, you know, the taxpayers give it to the politicians, politicians give it over to Siemens, and then Siemens comes over and pockets that money so they can put more in here so that we can spend more money on the wind farm projects that we were going to reduce that cost. But that money went to Siemens. Did my head just explode?
Rey Trevino [00:23:03] If that was your financial question? Yes, your head did just explode. And I was ready to paying 110% attention and was ready to go. But no, again, it just really shows that there is no money being made.
Rey Trevino [00:23:21] Again and I said this once already today, there’s no money being made in renewables. There is no return on investment and yet that is where trillions of dollars of investments have gone in the last two years, while we have lost billions of dollars in the oil and gas sector to drill new wells and that is why we will see a higher oil price over the next 18 months.
Stuart Turley [00:23:51] You know what? I’m going to extend an offer here, and we put it in the show notes. If there is anybody in the oil and gas space or anybody in the renewable space, I’ve already asked. Deborah Wold with green lily energy to come on a panel later on.
Stuart Turley [00:24:09] But what I would extend and offer also to is anybody in the renewable oil and gas or anything, especially politicians, I’d love me some politicians to come on this podcast. We’ll hold a webinar for everybody and we want anybody coming in. Send us your questions.
Stuart Turley [00:24:31] And we love wind, we love solar, We love anything, as long as it’s cost effective, doesn’t have to print money and is recyclable. Okay, you guys up with that? I’m on her. Let’s talk about it. I like solutions.
David Blackmon [00:24:48] Yeah. Yeah, solutions are great. You just don’t get them from politicians.
Stuart Turley [00:24:54] I know. I love it.
David Blackmon [00:24:56] The only thing we get from politicians is complications and delays and and disruptions of the marketplace that end up making energy more scarce and thus higher priced. And that’s.
Stuart Turley [00:25:08] Okay this brings up a great one here, guys. Let me bring this up.
David Blackmon [00:25:12] Okay. I’m boring, Stu.
Stuart Turley [00:25:13] No, you’re not.
Rey Trevino [00:25:16] Hey! speaking of, I liked your article and im going to redo it. A repost. It is the one about Hi My Name is David and I’m a fossil fuel.
Stuart Turley [00:25:25] Wasn’t that great?
Rey Trevino [00:25:26] I’m sorry to say that. Hopefully other people do it too. It’s like your fossil fuel, you know? Come on. Yeah. LinkedIn hasnt shadow banned that one yet
Stuart Turley [00:25:41] Okay. Gavin Newsom, my buddy.
Rey Trevino [00:25:47] Yeah, Your friend.
Stuart Turley [00:25:50] He’s called me. I, you know, hey, I got a hotline to Gavin Newsom saying what a conservative say. Okay.
Rey Trevino [00:25:59] Okay.
Stuart Turley [00:26:01] There’s an article that came across my feed and it says L.A. Times Risible Attack on Oil Profits. It is also talking about Gavin Newsom is complaining that he’s blaming kind of like Biden said to Putin’s price hike. He’s saying that there’s not enough gas storage is why electricity is high. Excuse me.
David Blackmon [00:26:30] Okay. I’m.
Stuart Turley [00:26:34] I don’t get it.
David Blackmon [00:26:35] Gas or gasoline as he talked about Natural gas or gasoline.hes talking gasoline?
Stuart Turley [00:26:43] Gasoline. Sorry.
David Blackmon [00:26:44] Well, you know, I mean, people don’t specify. Right.
Stuart Turley [00:26:48] But then there’s a pipeline. Gasoline. Didn’t we talk about it? Gasoline From breaking from.
David Blackmon [00:26:54] Yeah. Kinder Morgan’s line had a disruption. They had a leak in a big gasoline line that takes gasoline from Los Angeles, Port of Los Angeles into Las Vegas and feeds the Las Vegas market with gasoline. That was Friday and Saturday. They got it back on line Saturday.
Stuart Turley [00:27:13] Okay. Anyway, no something.
David Blackmon [00:27:16] I don’t know what storage has to do with any of that. You know, gas. Gasoline prices in California have been through the roof for decades.
Stuart Turley [00:27:24] Yeah, $7 a gallon, something like that.
David Blackmon [00:27:27] Yeah. You know, just because of the policies of the California government,.
Rey Trevino [00:27:32] I think what that really has to show right there is how politicians do not understand the energy sector at all. Right there Whether it’s wind or solar or oil, natural gas or coal, the fact that he just said that the price of electricity is high because we don’t have enough gasoline storage is just I mean, that makes me shake my head and kind of do what the young people do these days. Just kind of be one of these right here. You put my head on my forehead and shake. Shake my head. I don’t it’s it’s a little odd. I don’t I don’t understand the connection there at all. And even if he was talking about natural gas, what he says doesn’t make any sense.
Stuart Turley [00:28:18] Either. One doesn’t make a difference. Yeah, I’m going to call the author of this one. But anyway, as we come back around the corner, we’re about out of time here, guys. R.T. That’s R.T Any relation to E.T.?
Rey Trevino [00:28:34] No.
Stuart Turley [00:28:35] Okay. Just checking it, man. I just really appreciate your your Crude Truth episodes. Tell our folks how they can find you.
Rey Trevino [00:28:45] Yes, people can find me at the crude truecar.com or all my Twitter at truth underscore crude. And then also I’ll buy great episodes of The Crude Truth areYouTube. And again, TheCrudetruth.com, or if they ever even have just any oil and gas questions about anything, they could reach out to me they’re to at TheCrudeTruthShow.com.
Rey Trevino [00:29:13] But most of the days you’ll find me out in the oil and gas industry out in the field working. I know I sent you a photo stew over the weekend.
Stuart Turley [00:29:20] It was it was good
Rey Trevino [00:29:22] It was a little muddy because of all the rain and ice we’ve had for the last two weeks.
Stuart Turley [00:29:26] Well, with your permission, I’ll tag that onto the back of this one, because you you’re riding around. It’s kind of cool.
Rey Trevino [00:29:35] Thank you.
Stuart Turley [00:29:36] But no, absolutely fantastic and I appreciate your hard work out there, R.T., You know, I pick on you, but, man, we need you.
Rey Trevino [00:29:46] And if I may. Hey, for everybody out there, please check out my Substack CrudeTruth.Substack. I’d like to get some feedback on that and, you know, again, we’re really trying to focus on that a little bit more this quarter and get some great stories of some great content out there.
Rey Trevino [00:30:05] You know, again, what David’s doing is he’s sharing the positive, he’s sharing the negativity, and that’s just what I want to do as well with what we’re doing. We’ve got to get the word out there to let people know about how we can continue really to make the United States a truly energy secure place to live and be free.
Stuart Turley [00:30:23] Oh, absolutely. We just got to be careful what David shares any bodily fluids or, you know, if he sneezes on you, I’m out, man. I don’t want any any of that shared. But David, coming around, what’s the last word for you? How can people find you? They can find you everywhere. I mean, you’re I’m.
David Blackmon [00:30:43] All over the place. It’s terrible. I’m like I’m like a bad penny. I just keep showing up.
Stuart Turley [00:30:49] Or book.
David Blackmon [00:30:50] But you can find me at Substack and Blackmon, but Substack not coming. Find me. Twitter. Find me on LinkedIn. Where else? I don’t even know where I can find me. Yeah. Anyway, I’m all over the place.
Stuart Turley [00:31:06] You know, David and R.T. I appreciate truly both of you and really consider this time a treasure. And I also enjoy people being able to get a hold of you. David, you’ve had some folks reach in from bazillion places. Other places, R.T. . It’s also fun getting some things.
Stuart Turley [00:31:26] But ask your questions send them to either of their websites or any of us will start answering our questions will be live. And you can always find me Stu Turley and it’s TheEnergyNewsBeat@Substack or EnergyNewsBeat.com. All right. We’ll see you guys next time.